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The Gayest Non-Gay Female Characters of Film and Television.
What I mean when I say 'gayest non-gay' is a character that is never officially declared gay, but gives a viewing audience good reason to question their sexuality. They may even be textually and overtly straight. They may be paired frequently with male love interests. The subject of sexuality or romance may never even come up. But there's something about her, a lack of chemistry with male love interests, a mannerism, the way she carries herself, ambiguous subtext, or perhaps the clothes she wears on a regular basis. She may not be gay according to the official record, but there is definitely something very, very gay about her.

So, I'm going to start the list with my own picks, and these are just names I've been thinking about the last few days. I know there are more, and I expect you all to pitch in. No need to raise your hand. Just call out the answer. :)

Janis Ian, Mean Girls - When they wedge her character into an awkward and sudden relationship with Kevin G. at the very end of the movie, it always makes me balk. I realize that one of the pillars of Janis' character is that she will never get over Regina convincing everyone she was a lesbian and ruining her life, but it would fit the character much better if it turned out that maybe Janis really wasn't in love with Regina at any point, but she still likes girls.
Missy Pantone, Bring It On - Okay, what? Even though being called a "dyke-y loser" was a mean thing to say, it wasn't altogether off-base. Missy seems...kinda gay. Drawing tattoos on herself? CHAIN WALLET? And she seemed really excited to find out that Les was gay, and then she became good friends with him, almost like she was happy to have an ally. And there is no male love interest, not even a hint. Make of it what you will. :)
Haley Graham, Stick It - Speaking of Jessica Bendinger movies, this is another one with a main female character whose sexuality remains a mystery. The only time romance even comes up for Haley is when she is asked if one of her guy friends is her boyfriend. She responds with a fervent "eww!" She essentially dresses like a guy most of the time (baggy clothes, baseball hats, skater shoes, and not a single pink item of clothing to be seen), her gymnastics leotard being the only notable exception to that rule. She even acts kind of like a dude sometimes, which isn't surprising because she seems to only have guy friends. When the movie ends, I always imagine she goes on to compete in collegiate gymnastics and ends up falling madly in love with her soccer player roommate who may or may not be tall, leggy, and blonde. I've said too much. :)
Emily Prentiss, "Criminal Minds" - I feel like we've discussed this one to death. ;) The clunky giant watch, the obvious subtextual chemistry thing with J.J., the ambiguity surrounding her personal life, and the way she carries herself all indicate that she might, in fact, be gay. Or at least in denial. :)
Sara Sidle, "CSI" - I think this is mostly Jorja's fault, but even if it is, it doesn't ultimately matter. What Jorja Fox does with the character is the character, and Sara has never, ever had an ounce of romantic chemistry with any of her male love interests, and especially not with Grissom, though they play it up like it's the tragic romance of the century. But watch Sara and, say, Catherine? There's actually substance there.
Olivia Benson, "Law & Order: SVU" - I can only echo and emphasize what most of you have already pointed out: gayest non-gay in the history of ever. It doesn't matter how many Regularly Scheduled Hetero Signposts they throw at me. Her walk, the way she speaks and acts, her look, the eyebrow-raising lines they give her, the chemistry with other female characters like Alex Cabot and Casey Novak--all of this adds up to a character who is clearly homosexual, no matter what Dick Wolf likes to pretend.
Lil, Coyote Ugly - It's been a while since I've seen this movie, but [info]obsidian179's reasoning was so good that I'm just going to include it here: "While the only Coyote in the film that gets to have any kind of love interest at all is Violet (not counting Cammie's mentioned but never shown boyfriend), Lil certainly seems to let her get away with a lot, doesn't she? From what she says, Violet was supposed to have one chance, and that's it. Yet, despite screwing up again and again, she stays. Lil's the kind of woman who can out tough guy the tough guys - if you've seen the movie, you know what I'm talking about - and really doesn't dress or act "feminine" at all. During Kevin's second appearance in the bar (where no boyfriend was supposed to be), even Lil mentions that she's fired girls for a lot less then what Violet did. (And do we mention that Kevin was only there because he was upset that Violet never showed up to meet him - costing him a very expensive comic book... look, I didn't write the movie, okay? - because Lil wouldn't let her leave? Sure, that could be because it was a busy night... but really? That's it? Shyeah, right.) And then she goes to offer Violet her job back later. And after realizing that 'Jersey' isn't going to be coming back, she even calls the dillhole Kevin to get him to go to Violet's show. Yeah, those last two could be her just being a friend to a young woman that reminds her of herself a bit... But I don't quite buy it. ;)"
Juliette Paxton and Jess Bhamra, Bend it Like Beckham - The gay non-gay is even central to the plot! Everyone thinks Jess and Jules are gay, and I don't blame them. Good-looking coach aside, I think that once they get to Santa Clara U. without him, they end up with each other. :)
Sofia Curtis, "CSI" - I can't believe she wasn't immediately on the top of my head when I started thinking about this. It took me literally about ten seconds of seeing her for the first time on CSI to decide that yes, she is very, very gay. The swagger, the clothes, the attitude. SO GAY.
Sarah Connor, "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" - I just bought the first season and have been watching the series before it starts again next week, and...wow. I think it's a combination of the legendary Sarah Connor mythos and Lena Headey, but damn. I can't even watch Sarah and Cameron in the same room without losing my mind. I think I just have a hard time taking a badass, gun-toting woman like Sarah Connor as being 100% heterosexual. Can't do it.
Jordan Cavanaugh, "Crossing Jordan" - She's kidding herself if she thinks she's straight. Lisa, Lu...and just the fact of Jill Hennessy. Gay.
Faith, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" - Oh, Faith is absolutely a gay, gay, scary gay non-gay. The sexual tension with Buffy is breathtaking. And she has that kind of swaggery, masculine walk down, too.
Jo Polniaczek, "The Facts of Life" - Oh my god, who were they kidding? Who? Was anyone fooled? She rode a goddamn motorcycle! With leather! Jo was SO GAY. Everything about her was gay. Except for the part where she supposedly wasn't. HA.
Paris Geller, "Gilmore Girls" - I always loved Paris dearly, and part of what I loved about her was the strange relationship she had with Rory. I used to count the number of times the idea of Paris kissing Rory was brought up on the show. And then it actually happened, and that sealed it for me. No one can talk me out of the conclusion that Paris was always secretly in love with Rory. Not ever. :)


So, those are the best ones I've got so far. I want to hear your ideas!

ETA: In my own defense, since many of you were horrified that several of your favorites did not make the initial list, this was merely a starter list. Just to get the ball rolling. I did not forget about Olivia Benson, for heaven's sake! ;)

Addison? Really? I don't get the 'gay non-gay' vibe from her at all. And now I see that it's just me. Odd.

I think I really need to start watching Army Wives. Just the commercials alone look pretty damn gay.

Dude, Reyes? She was totally gay, through and through. But Scully is not gay. Scully and Mulder's love is forever. And that's that. :P




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[info]emthefrootloop
2008-08-30 11:15 am UTC (link)
I'm suprised Olivia Benson didn't make your list ... she's the postergirl for non-gay gayness.

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[info]bluestocking7
2008-08-30 04:04 pm UTC (link)
I agree with this! They keep trying to push her at Elliot (squick!) and randomly she has plot-point boyfriends, but her chemistry with Alex was insane.

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[info]metatxt
2008-09-01 01:14 am UTC (link)
That was my first thought! But then her whole non-gaying is so pointedly about closeting rather than her actual/probable orientation, I figured it was a special circumstances omission.

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[info]ginevra_alessa
2008-08-30 11:18 am UTC (link)

Also Missy seemed really bummed and kinda pissed when she first realized Torrance liked her brother. That awkward scene with them in bed together - "do you like my brother?"

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[info]twtd
2008-08-30 02:16 pm UTC (link)
I think any of the women from Law & Order: SVU could make this list. Clarice Starling from Silence of the Lambs always seemed a bit gay to me too.

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[info]adriana_divolpe
2008-10-02 05:40 am UTC (link)
YES, you said it before me. Clarice Starling definitely.

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[info]obsidian179
2008-08-30 03:12 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I also kinda thought it was possible that Hayley might have once had a thing going with her former teammate, Tricia. (Of course, I was probably reading too far into things... *lol*) There just seemed to be a bit too much tension and anger there to be from that gold they didn't get. ;)

As for new ones, how about:

Lil, Coyote Ugly - While the only Coyote in the film that gets to have any kind of love interest at all is Violet (not counting Cammie's mentioned but never shown boyfriend), Lil certainly seems to let her get away with a lot, doesn't she? From what she says, Violet was supposed to have one chance, and that's it. Yet, despite screwing up again and again, she stays. Lil's the kind of woman who can out tough guy the tough guys - if you've seen the movie, you know what I'm talking about - and really doesn't dress or act "feminine" at all. During Kevin's second appearance in the bar (where no boyfriend was supposed to be), even Lil mentions that she's fired girls for a lot less then what Violet did. (And do we mention that Kevin was only there because he was upset that Violet never showed up to meet him - costing him a very expensive comic book... look, I didn't write the movie, okay? - because Lil wouldn't let her leave? Sure, that could be because it was a busy night... but really? That's it? Shyeah, right.) And then she goes to offer Violet her job back later. And after realizing that 'Jersey' isn't going to be coming back, she even calls the dillhole Kevin to get him to go to Violet's show. Yeah, those last two could be her just being a friend to a young woman that reminds her of herself a bit... But I don't quite buy it. ;)

Jess and Jules, Bend it Like Beckham - Oh, come on, do I really need to go on? *lol* Those two had more chemistry with each other then either of them did with the Token Male Love Interest (TMLI), combined. Given that that's how it was supposed to be, I'm not surprised. I mean, even with the script overhaul to get rid of the initial lesbian romance aspect, other characters in the movie still, at times, think that they're gay and together! And you'll never convince me that, once they were in America, with no TMLI in sight, they didn't start wondering about that, themselves... ^_^

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[info]calliopes_muse
2008-08-30 09:15 pm UTC (link)
Oh yeah, I have to agree with both of these!!! Lil just screamed tough dyke, and I could easily see her crushing on Jersey.

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[info]obsidian179
2008-08-31 06:05 am UTC (link)
Now, if only there were a sequel in which it were mutual... ;)

(Oh, and as for Hayley? I haven't watched the movie in a while, but tell me... In all her complaints about gymnastics, did she ever complain about the outfits? Even more specifically, being surrounded by fit and toned girls in skintight outfits as they spin, run, bounce, and contort themselves all over the place? Because I don't seem to remember that... ^_^)

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[info]trixter21
2008-08-30 04:38 pm UTC (link)
I definitely ditto the female cast of SVU (Save, perhaps, Warner) and Bend it Like Beckham.

I've also gotta say that the cast of Desperate Housewives and Army Wives (Which I haven't actually watched, but was sent links and went 'oh, wow xD') get on my list. xD

Also, Addison, from Grey's.

Oh, and, this is gonna sound awkward...but any female disney character, I've found, acts extremely gay. xD

*scratches chin* These aren't really all that special of answers. So I'll think about it later. xD And I'll come up with more, and better, answers.

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[info]vdpro
2008-08-30 09:43 pm UTC (link)
I agree with all ur choices (esp. Prentiss and Benson)... and I can't believe no one mentioned Sofia Curtis!!! I mean, ladies, the walk *drool* oh sweet jesus, that walk never failed to turn me on! No to mention the gun, the badge,Ray Bans, those shirts and boots... and that damn toothpick! SO HOT!!! and sooo gay... ;)

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[info]sofia_lindsay
2008-08-31 05:19 am UTC (link)
Ooh! I'm with you there on Sofia! Guns and all that aside, that walk tells you all you need to know!!!

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[info]half_life33
2008-09-01 04:18 am UTC (link)
ahhh sofia curtis. i totally love her and envy her in one foul sweep.
TOTALLY GAY.
and um, her voice?! :-D

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[info]adriana_divolpe
2008-10-02 05:42 am UTC (link)
Amen to that. Her voice, my god, her voice. Soooo sexy. And her walk? And her sunglasses? I could go on and on. lol

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[info]calliopes_muse
2008-08-31 01:29 am UTC (link)
Just because it happens to be on TV right now: Ridley (aka Sigourney Weaver) from the Alien movies.

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[info]femslash_addict
2008-09-02 08:53 am UTC (link)
It's Ripley, by the way. And I don't think she's gay. She's just badass. :)

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[info]calliopes_muse
2008-09-02 09:04 am UTC (link)
You're right, it was Ripley. I meant to come back and change that, and totally forgot. I was thinking of the director, Ridley Scott, when I posted this. :)

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[info]ifuwereafrog
2008-08-31 01:52 am UTC (link)
Erica of Underworld. I always felt like she just wanted Selene's attention, needed her approval, and the way she looks at her... Though she wanted the status of being on Assface's arm, she sure was always up Selene's ass about every little thing. And the dress she picked out for her? Me-ow!

Nancy of Weeds - I don't necessarily think she's gay but she's def not straight. I would call her an omni-sexual or an opportunist lover. I'm really surprised she never hooked up with Celia. Or maybe I'm just insane and am reading too much into her character. It happens.

Sidney Prescott of Scream - Butchy clothes, short hair, short nails, mommy issues, boyfriend issues, forced romance in 3rd one. Her and Tatum would have been a cute couple. Lol.

Sarah Connor of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Do I really need to say it? Cause I know I'm not the only one thinking it. And I'd love a love affair with her and Shirley Manson. Can we say HOT?

Jordan of Crossing Jordan. Whatever, Jordan! The best chemistry you had in all your seasons was with Mariel Hemmingway's character. "I'm not gay." YES, YES YOU ARE! She knew it and we knew it. Though I rooted for her and Woody, I know she secretly wanted to be with Lisa. (Even her dad wasn't sure about her sexuality. And Nigel was calling her out too!)

Faith of Buffy (BTVS). Maybe it's just an Eliza thing, but holy gay in Buffy!! If you've seen Faith I don't need to explain this.

Calleigh of CSI: Miami - guns expert. She is the perfect blend of butch and lipstick lesbian. I don't think she has chemistry with any single character on that show. Every romance has been forced. And she has some serious Daddy issues.

Agree with Bend it Like Beckham, Benson, Sofia, Sarah, and Missy, is it? Well Missy... Can kinda see it for Addison.

And Army Wives - those women's bonds border on the lines of "too intimate." Which is what fucked me up in high school. I was too close to my best friend. Blah blah. And Pam & Roxy have chemistry as do Claudia Joy & Denise. *bangs head* And One Tree Hill? I'm sorry but best friends aren't THAT intimate. Brooke and Peyton have the most fucked up relationship ever. Seriously. Does the creator/writer really think girl friendships are like that? Or is he foreshadowing?

Sorry, had some time on my hands since I was sick. And this topic piqued my interest.

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[info]half_life33
2008-09-01 04:19 am UTC (link)
amen to calleigh and jordan.
couldn't get any gayer than that.

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[info]geeky_spaz
2008-08-31 05:48 am UTC (link)
Hey, what about Jo from the Facts of Life? Definitely one of the gayest non-gay character who was ever on tv.

Agree with pretty much everyone on the list. I loved especially that Hayley Graham didn't have a guy love interest. I always just imagined her going to college and hooking up with the rival cheerleader from Bring It On 2. Weird.

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[info]mrschimpf
2008-08-31 08:04 am UTC (link)
I might be a little biased, but I have to say Paris over there is definitely a girl who would have been gay if the Gilmore Girls writers didn't have to deal with a network that had to cater to girls who wanted every girl coupled with a guy no matter what. I mean she pretty much was obsessed with Rory and likely still is, and her love interests were extremely boring. She didn't care about dating and was a romantic at heart, and come on...Rory would have gone gay from that one kiss they shared had the suits never wanted to drag Dean back into the picture and torture us with Logan (i.e. the one guy never to be shipped with Paris. Ever. Period. Don't even think about it.).

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[info]theastolat
2008-08-31 10:25 am UTC (link)
Oh my gosh, Paris. Gayest gay that sortof gayed. And gah, I hated Logan. Logan was the worst thing to ever happen to TV.

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[info]listener15
2008-09-02 01:18 am UTC (link)
Oh my gosh, Paris. Gayest gay that sortof gayed

That has to be THE funniest comment about Paris I have ever read.

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[info]metatxt
2008-09-01 01:33 am UTC (link)
SVU characters: Olivia Benson, Alex Cabot, Casey Novak, Abbie Carmichael, and most definitely Liz Donnelly. I would argue a few of these are on the fuzzy side of canon, certainly Alex and Olivia in Loss or Guilt.

Battlestar Galactica characters: Almost every female character, though, there are more female characters who don't count for actually getting it on with another woman than there are because they don't ping. Even the actors who play very secondary characters have said in interviews that they think their characters are gay. And the mythology of the show allows this continual metaphor for coming out, including character angst, closeting, acceptance, pride, telling mom and dad, the works. The one most people know who don't watch the show is Starbuck (Katee Sackhoff).

All Disney princesses and female villains are gay as all get out.

Faith from Buffy

Sarah Connor and Cameron of Terminator

Jo Lupo from Eureka is so gay I had to stop watching because it was physically painful to watch her pretend to be into dudes. Of course, I think that might just be that Erica Cerra can't hide her queerness very well.

Addison from Grey's definitely, though, like Erica Cerra, I suspect it has more to do with the actress.

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[info]half_life33
2008-09-01 04:22 am UTC (link)
wow all of my answers have been taken. i hate to repeat the obvious but WOW, def the cast of L&O. lol
ESP benson/cabot and DONNELLY. jesus it couldn't get any more obvious than her.
jordan from crossing jordan. i mean. come on. srsly?
ooh!!!
CAMERON from house. sooooooo lesbian.
AND LIZ! from 30 rock. hehe sorry. but i can't help but believe she's queeeeeeeeeeer even though she denies it!

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[info]listener15
2008-09-02 01:17 am UTC (link)
When my girlfriend and I saw this we just had to start compiling our own list. We found a couple that you all haven't listed yet...

Voyager: Janeway and Seven -- Because the Captain and her pet Borg are just too adorable. I mean come on, Seven and Commander Chuckles? They 1. had no chemistry, 2. were just thrown together at the end of the series, 3. he was just her "social experiment," 4. the Captain was the only one that at 2am in the morning was having "philosophical discussions," and 5. it just makes us cry. Seven would have had more chemistry with a cardboard cut-out of the Captain than Commander Chuckles. Not to mention "Bad Janeway' (who we call Butch Janeway, the ep "Living Witness"), could she have been any HOTTER? (And please, Tom and Harry, so gay.)

The Haunting: Theo and Nell -- They were basically supposed to play gay for each other. Even in the old B&W movie they played it that way. Theo by herself is gay and brought it out in Nell (like any good lesbian).

Boys On The Side Robin -- Now Whoopi's character (Jane) was gay but Robin was questionable. Sure, she wanted to sleep with that guy and almost did. Almost. Besides, it was Mary Louise-Parker. Who cares if she was or not.

Wicked Elphaba and Galinda -- I was lucky enough to see this musical in San Francisco before it went to Broadway and after the show I had the distinct feeling there was more going on between the two witches than either had with Fiyero. They roomed together and everyone knows what happens when girls room together.

The Devil Wears Prada Miranda Priestly and Andrea Sachs -- Andy would do anything, any time for Miranda. And when Andy started showing up for work dressed to kill... Miranda so looked her up and down more than once and watched her walk out of her office. Okay, so Meryl Streep was HOT in this movie, I wanted Miranda to be at least a little gay so I could drool without feeling guilty... not that I would have... felt guilty that is. I still need a towel to watch that movie.

Resident Evil series Alice, Rain, Jill, and Clair -- Zombie-killing women are hot. (I've played the games, my girlfriend hasn't, but even in the games I thought Claire and Jill seemed a little gay. Please, Claire shows up on a motorcycle and leather jacket with no sleeves. Gaaaaay.) Alice's golden line: to Rain "I could kiss you, you bitch."

Calamity Jane Calamity Jane and Katie Brown -- THEY PAINTED THEIR NAMES TOGETHER ON THE DAMN DOOR WITH FLOWERS!!!!

X-Files Scully and Reyes -- Chris Carter said they had thought about getting those two together, but it seemed too rushed for the last season. In the episode where Scully gives birth Reyes seems a little tooooo appreciative of Scully's beauty (but not enough damnit). And who does Scully trust her son William with? Reyes. Let's not mention that Doggett and Reyes had about as much chemistry as Seven and Commander Chuckles did.

Disney Kim Possible and Shego (Kim Possible), Raven and Chelsea(That's So Raven!) -- I know Disney characters were already mentioned, but we had to add some specific names.

And we want to add our agreement to the Jordan vote. She and Dr. Lisa, so had it going on.

And yes, EVERY woman on ANY Law & Order show has been gayer than gay... even with husbands/fiances/boyfriends/boytoy.

Edited at 2008-09-02 01:45 am UTC

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[info]ifuwereafrog
2008-09-02 01:22 pm UTC (link)
Scully is not gay. Scully and Mulder's love is forever. And that's that.

*giggle* =) You summed it up right there. Thank you. =) I loved the very last scene of the new movie. *sigh*

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[info]strummer_school
2008-09-02 08:43 pm UTC (link)
OH MY GOD! How has no one mentioned Brooke and Sam from Popular? The very first time they meet the eye shagging commences and never stops. Neither of them had ANY romantic chemistry with any of the boytoys. Every time they fought I was just waiting for them to kiss. There is just no way that they were straight. None.

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[info]girldrugs
2008-09-07 08:43 pm UTC (link)
Jo Polniaczek--Must agree 100 percent. She's so gay for Blair, too.

Faith/Buffy hottest thing ever. I always thought Buffy was gay.

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[info]willowrs
2008-09-21 11:20 am UTC (link)
First off, please, Scully and Mulder have the chemistry of a dying whale, there is nothing going on there, the forced-ness of it makes my eyes roll.

Reyes, I completely think is gay, and is totally gay for Scully, who seems interested, but not particularly gay per se.

Peyton Sawyer...when she isn't whining about a brother Scott (who both suck anyway, and who saw her continuous hooking up with the vacuous Lucas coming as inevitable but not realistic?) is totally gay for Brooke, fight, make up, fight, make up, always together. Totally gay.

*rant, rave,* (possibly flail) Sorry.

There are others that make me ping, but I am having trouble bringing them to mind right now.

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[info]lovelight_1
2008-10-29 11:16 am UTC (link)
Hey, you're on L anon.

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